Friday, January 11, 2008

God Does NOT Care About Your Happiness

One of my friends was having a struggle once. When she described her struggle to me, she described what she considered her two "choices" to me. The first one satisfied her desires, but it would mean disobeying God. The second one obeyed God but would leave her miserable (as she described it). When I asked her if she believed God's Word was true, she said yes. I gently pointed out that since she believed that, she really only had one choice. Her response was that she did believe that God's Word is true, but she also firmly believed that God would not want her to make a choice that would make her unhappy.

I wanted to scream at that point.

Beyond the fact that her unhappiness was being caused by wrong choices and attitudes she was already making, I don't see anywhere in the Bible where it says that God cares one iota about your happiness. I know that sounds like a harsh statement, so allow me to clarify a little bit. By "not caring", I mean that when God (who is all-knowing, all-wise, and all-powerful) decides how He is going to arrange the circumstances in your life, your happiness is not a factor in His decisions. God's goal is not for you to be happy. Nor should it be our goal either.

"Happiness" is a pretty vague word. Often, "happiness" is used interchangeably with "joy", although the two mean very different things. Happiness is an emotion, while joy is a character quality. Anything can give us happiness, but only pursuing God can give us true joy.

When God arranges circumstances in our lives, what does He take into account? To answer that, we must ask, what is His goal?

Christians today, especially American Christians, have gotten the wrong view that God's goal is to make humans happy. That God is some sort of "genie in a bottle" to grant us our wishes and make us comfortable. Nothing could be further from the truth.

God's goal is, simply put, to bring glory to Himself. He is the true center of the universe.

Now, what does that mean for us? What is God's goal for us? (Us=Christians). The answer is found in Romans 8:29:
For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Do you see it? God's plan for us is that we be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. God gives us opportunities to develop Christlike character qualities. Sometimes (dare I say, oftentimes), that means that God arranges circumstances that will actually make us unhappy and uncomfortable.

However, if we take those opportunities to develop Christlike character, we will develop joy, which is superior to happiness. As I said, happiness is an emotion. Thus it is fleeting. Joy, on the other hand, is a character quality, and thus is constant.

I firmly believe that we should not pursue happiness. Instead, we should obey God and seek to glorify Him, and in the process we will develop joy.

We also should not expect God to care about our happiness. When we realize that God's goal for us is not our happiness, but our conformity to Christ, making the right choice in situations like the one my friend was going through suddently become a whole lot easier.

45 comments:

Kingslala said...

I had to learn that a couple of months ago. It really is a hard thing to learn once you start to think that God grants your every wish. I like your blog, keep using God to direct what you type.

kingslalathoughts.blogspot.com

Rachel said...

I think you hit the point perfectly. I have tried time and again to explain to people that Gods ultimate purpose is not to love you, or to make you feel comfortable, but to further His own glory. Thats not something that people like to hear, yet it is one of the greatest truths they can apply to their Christian walks.

Yah said...

This world is such a dark and horrible place. After unimaginable tragedy and ridiculous misfortune that has befallen me this week, i searched the internet for "God does not care". Now that I know he does in fact, not care, and only uses me as a pawn to grind into a bloody powder for "His glory", despite his promise that he would not give me more than i could handle, i am truly in despair. thanks for your post.

rockfan4life said...

I am sorry but this blog is bullshit. If God does not care about your happiness and that is true then God does not love you. A person that loves you wants you to be happy. If God only created each one of us to bow down and "praise" him then that is not a God of love both an egotistical self-centered God.

kat said...

i think people attatching gods name to their viewpoints is very misleading and also bs in nature, god is the only expert on god, to say that god doenst care about our unahappiness and doesnt do this or that, ok how does this person know, how did they go about finding out and is god their source?
seriouslly the bible states gods thougths are not our thougths and yeah thats scripture,
seriously no religious person under heaven knows anything about god and is 100% accurate

you can have an opinion about god
but gosh
dont present it as fact
becuase its not

i dont know what god cares about or not
but flat out saying he doesnt
get over it
you know nothing about this

again
get over it

i cannot afford for the sake of my mental or emotional health
worry over someones personal convictions or opinions

these experts who thin they have it all down
and know god thru and thru

YOU DONT!!!!!!!!!
your opinion has never been helpful
and in my life
harmful
state it as opinions
but never state it as fact
becuase it never will be!!!!!!

Shaney Irene said...

Yah-I am sorry that you feel this way, and I am praying for you, that God would use whatever situation you are going through to strengthen your faith. However, please understand that the purpose of this post was not to state that God doesn't care about people. He does care, it is part of His nature, the Bible clearly says so. The purpose was to point out that we cannot use "unhappiness" as an excuse to disobey God. We are not pawns. We make choices. The question is whether we will make choices based on what we want, or what God wants. The two are not always mutually exclusive-Psalm 37:4 says that when we delight ourselves in God, He gives us the desires of our heart.

RockFan4Life-I agree that a person who loves you wants you to be happy. However, that cannot always be the motivating factor behind their decisions. Take parents, for example. Why do parents set rules for their children, and then punish their children when they break the rules? Surely, this does not make their children happy! Parents do that because they want what's best for their children-for their children to be safe, healthy, and well-adjusted. Hopefully, their children will grow up to be happy as well, but it's not the choice of the parent, and it's not the main motivating factor behind the parent's decisions.

Kat-I can say what I've said because I have studied the Bible, I have seen what God has to say about God. Not everything on this blog is fact, it is true. Most of it is, though, and I have provided Scripture where I can to back it up. I certainly welcome other opinions where I haven't used Scripture to back up my opinions. In fact, I think that is one of the best ways to learn. If nobody every challenged anybody, we wouldn't be able to read the Bibles for ourselves today.

Ben S said...

Hey everyone,
John Piper, a great God-following pastor, actually delivered a speech on this very topic. Here is a link to his sermon that may aid in enlightening this concept of God "not caring" for our happiness. He indeed does *not have an innate desire to make us happy, instead, to bring true joy to our lives. That joy often only comes through tests, trials, and tribulations, unfortunately.

http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/2003/130_Quest_Joy_Found_Christ/

James 1:2-4
Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

Finally, *Hebrews 12: 1-2* makes this subject a little more clear when it says that Jesus endured the cross because of the joy that was to come. It wasn't for initial peace or prosperity, but instead for His own joy that He knew would come through being the ultimate sacrifice for sins.

"...Let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto *Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for *the joy* that was set before Him *endured* the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."

Ben S said...

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+12&version=NKJV

Asher Isaac said...

Shaney, u have much to answer for. U totally misrepresent God. I cant believe someone who reads the bible can be so mislead! Doesnt the bible clearly state the He has plans to prosper us and not harm us? How then can u say God does not care for our happines? Can u love someone who doesnt care abt your feelngs? That would be redundant!! How can God relate to us if he could care less about our hearts? Surely he would know that broken hearts dont work very well and neither do broken spirits! U dont need to be a biblical scholar to figure that out! U remind me of the teachers back in Christ's time. U want a scripture for that? Look up Mark 4:12.

Shaney Irene said...

Asher-

You're missing the point of this post. Yes God has plans to prosper us, not to harm us (the reference for that verse is Jeremiah 29:11). But that does not mean that God makes His plans based on whether they will make us "happy". God makes His plans based on what will bring Him glory and what is best for us (which are one and the same--if something doesn't bring God glory, it's not good for us.)

The argument I'm making here is not that God could care less about whether or not we're happy, but His will is not based on our happiness. Especially because "happiness" is entirely subjective.

We choose to follow God's will or not. If we follow it, then we will experience true joy. If we don't, we may be happy temporarily, but we will ultimately end up hurting ourselves.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that God's will is based on our happiness. Yet people try to justify their choices all the time based on what makes them happy, rather than the clear commands in God's word. That's the faulty reasoning I'm trying to expose in this post.

kat said...

all i know is why do people have an opinion about god - should an opinion even existed - i stopped going to church because all i was hearing were opinions and had enough - i even went to therapy to sort all this out - some of these opinions were faulty
i love proverbs 3:5 where it states lean not unto your own understanding - i was listening to people who leaned so hard on their own they fell on it - my life changed when i began to apply this - i stopped leaning on peoples understanding on just about everything because it was ruining my life - polluting my thoughts - god speaks from gods point of view - short of being jesus or the holy spirit thats it!!! i live in the present not the past - i am not finding the present in the bible anywhere - people cant take the present and assume ahh the bible must have been talking about this -
some people insist we are end times - thing is so far the world has not ended - people say oh haiti or katrina or 9/11 etc - ok what about the hurricane in the early 1900s that pretty much wiped out and leveled galveston - or the civil war etc - or earthquakes back then or floods or tsunamis etc - just because not recorded in history didnt mean didnt happen - thing is there had to be poeple who insisted the earth was in end times then because castrastophre was happening

i dont know what god wants - im not sitting to left hand of god where jesus sits at the right -

i dont tell people oh god told me to do you ... god hasnt told me anything about anything

does god care or not care
i dont know
no way of knowing

but i would like church if they stopped talking about the past

does a first church of the present exist - i relate to no one in the bible - dont want to - they are no one i knew and no one i care about

god may or may not care about my happiness - but a human being is not an expert on that - and as billy joel sang - "keep it yourself its my life"

keith said...

Why should i care about god since he doesnt care about me .I am unemployed on disability can barely afford to live in this world .Cant use an assault rifle to get hired for a job . You try to live a righteous life and everything you try to do ends up a disaster. Then you have ponder why you dont join the rest of the world by robbing cheating and selling drugs. Why should i care about everlasting life if its like this life that would be everlasting hell. Just waiting for this life to end.

FedUp said...

What about when God lets your 12 year old son die? The one you and hundreds of other people prayed for? How's that for Jeremiah 29:11 and for God's love? God abandoned my son, didn't give a flip about what we prayed for and was totally silent. I have trusted God for years but now I am done. He is either not there or totally cruel. My months of praying did nothing but raise false hopes when he had no intention of lifting a finger. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you- but be careful, he will bite your finger off. To Hell with HIm.

Mark said...

just want to make sure the posting works first

Mark said...

Where to start? Maybe I shouldn't.

I think we need to be very careful about what we say about God, especially stuff about God not loving us or not caring and it all being about furthering his own glory.
If we accept that God is love as John describes and as a Father I know a little of the depth of love a Father has for their child/children, then these things don't ring true.
If we do seek God with the heart through love, then the God that love reveals to us is a God who does care, who does desire our happiness.
A God who walks with us through the good times and bad in life. Not a God who's only concern is his own glory.
Don't take my word for it though, seek through the heart yourself.

I do accept that there are many people who won't accept that God is love and many through the hurt that life throws them. My heart goes out to them and I'm not going to try and justify the harshness of life and the how God can allow it stuff.

Just because someone posts their take on something doesn't mean that it's the truth, (including me) so please don't think that cause someone posts something it means absolute that God doesn't care, even if they do use scripture to back it up.
Or that cause someone posts as a Christian that they have the truth. The truth is that we're all just struggling through. No one has all the answers. It should be seen as such.

Corvettegirl said...

Dear God Said it Best,

I would like to thank you for your passion for God and to helping your friend. I want to thank you for your insight you have posted on this blog. Was insightful and was not what I was expecting when I read the title of this blog.

Though I must admit your passion has made you blind to one fact. Your title of your blog is God does not CARE about your happiness, diminish one very important thing that does God care about. That is people. The fact that you say God does not care for the well being, happiness, for his creation also diminish the very reason that God died for us, thats hope. The fact that your title is telling people that YAHWEH is not a God of happiness suggest that God is a God of no hope. Which is strictly not biblical.

Hope, that is what is missing from today's society. Someone looking for hope from the God that can give it, someone searching. Have you stepped back and looked at the title of your blog? Does this title give a true testament to a loving, and a God of hope? Of course God CARES. To suggest God does not is a depiction of a God that just cares about getting it his way and has no respect of emotion.

Where does emotion come from? If we truly were made in Gods image does God have emotion?

Why did God give us animals?
Why did God give us beauty?
Why did God give us a sunset?
sunrise?
color?

In fact why did God give you the passion inside of you? The love that Mark above me talks about? If God did not care about our emotion in happiness how do you explain all these.

God does care, but what you are trying to say in your post, is that the world does not. That is why the Christian walk is a narrow path. It is because of the world that doing Good doing the right thing is hard, and unhappy. It is NOT God, that does not car. It is the world not caring about God. But each sunrise is a statement to the world that God does care.... for your happiness.

John 15:11-13
I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

John 17:13
"I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them.

Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

Nehemiah 8:10
The joy of the Lord is your strength

kat said...

Why can't god speak for himself
Today !!!! The bible wasn't written literally today !!!
I'm so fed up with people speaking " for him" when in fact they speak for themselves

I don't care about god anymore
Oddest thing - I feel free and at peace too

Sure religious people will presume all sorts of scenarios
But I really don't care !!!

kat said...

I feel that god cares about his happness and could care less about mine - Christians / religious people had a nerve in telling me " god knows what best " and implying I don't
Um hello - why the heck do some go around using god statements - really ?

Jesus' biggest problem were with religious people
Same here

I'm 35
I'm single - never dated

Christians told me god has other plans

What liars they were - god never informed them of anything pertaining to me

They justify lying too - trying to help - yeah right

It's never been up to a person to pretend if not dictate what they think gods will is

I was told god called me to be single to serve him instead
That too was lie as those zealots never spent a minute witty me ever therefore didn't know god called me

But of course they weren't called

What liars these people can be - it's disgusting

Mark Marr said...

For what it's worth.

Am sorry about your bad experience with the Christians you mentioned Kat and if you can receive it then I would like to give you a warm hug.

I'm not going to try and defend the Christians you mentioned, just perhaps to say that their intentions may well have been good. They probably weren't meaning to mislead you.

My 17 year marriage came to an end nearly 5 years ago and it affected/affects me really badly. Many Christian friends would tell me to wait and see, the strong suggestion being that my wife would change her mind and we'd all be a family again.
I waited and hoped while my ex became more and more distant with me, started dating, divorced me. I still waited while she moved in with another guy and is now engaged to be married to him, she told me the last time she spoke to me that "she was now the happiest she'd ever been."
I am hurt about the well meaning Christians telling me to wait and see, but I don't want to hold it against them. No doubt they did believe this cause we were a Christian family who prayed together everyday etc and as I said already we're all just struggling through.

My understanding of faith and God has changed a lot and when I say my understanding, I do mean MY personal understanding.
I do take it that if God is love and is found in love, then love reveals to ME a God who is concerned about me greatly. It doesn't surprise me through the depth of his love for us that God would sacrifice himself for me.
As a Father I would give my life in a heartbeat to save any of my children.
It's very easy to get so wrapped up in scripture that we miss the love, you mention about Jesus and his issue with the religious of the time. The Pharisees were really good with scripture, but it seems not so good with the heart.
The devil seemed to be really knowledgeable on scripture too he showed this when he tried to tempt Jesus.
We need to be careful with scripture.
Maybe if we are true followers of Christ it should be our love that we're known for?

Mark Marr said...

On a lighter note Kat, I meant to add after reading your earlier post you got "my life" by Billy Joel playing over and over in my mind :)
Have you ever heard him singing "To make you feel my love"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXnvRD5TlOE

:)

selliso1 said...

I read this blog almost a year ago feeling hopeless and feeling alone. And I must say, it had pushed me farther from God than I have been in a while. Even after my suicidal attempts failed. It took many other christians to convince me that God was not a selfish entity that played us like puppets for His glory. Despite our pain.

SO FOR OTHERS READING THIS), WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR WANTS (THAT NEW TV, THAT NEW PROMOTION) AND YOU COUNT ON THAT TO MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD, NO, ITS NOT SOMETHING THAT GOD WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.

HOWEVER, If google brought you here and youre hurting, God does NOT want his children to feel like he would leave or forsake them. Even when life is harsh, you should rejoice in the fact that unlike unbelievers, you will NEVER be alone. :) You have a Father that loves you (tough love sometimes).

It hurts now, but don't give up. Ask for God to show you truth, take a few breaths, and watch Him work.

Daniel said...

Matthew 7:9-11: 9“Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!

-Trust and wait even until your last breath. For if you believe that God should be the one to help you, then you should also believe that what he says is infallible. Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth.

jimmy said...

Read the comments and I made my own conclusion that makes sense for me. God doesn't care. Yes it is to believe he works in mysterious ways but from my experiences He/She has not come through.

Ugo Strange said...

Thank you.

ProdigalProtege said...

I love your blog. So blessed by it. Thank you for reminding me of the Truth. Why is this surprising? It shows how much the Truth is diluted in these times.

It's a true statement, but for some who are unfamiliar with this, to explain in another way, God does not care about the desires of your FLESH, what we call "happiness".

Think: God is GOOD. So good. In fact, ONLY He is good. Generous, kind, merciful, loving...these words are futile to describe his burning, passionate longing for you.

Father God is Spirit. We are Spirit and Soul embodied within the Flesh. Flesh does not last. This lifetime on earth is given to us so that we may grow spiritually, love Him more intimately, and to be one with Father God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

God is interested in the growth of your spirit, because He IS LIEE. It is His will to grow your spirit at whatever cost, because He loves you more than this entire universe.

That is not to say God does not want you to be happy. But it is His Kingdom first - seek first His Kingdom - love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and will and the ever so generous Father will give you more than you could desire.

But at that point, you wouldn't desire those things anyway.

Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Laura said...

I totally get what you are saying. God's love is different than human love. God's love is being interested in my long-term best interest. Who knows me better than God? When I follow His guidance in the choices I make in my life, I will experience joy and that will bring glory to God. God is good! He compares to no one. He is all-wise and all-knowing.

JustAMan said...

I don't know if anyone will read this, but the original blog hits it on the head.

And I also read many of the comments after everyone has read the original blog.

It is true...God "does not care" about my/your happiness. The thing with God is...even though we are made in the image of God...since we have fallen short of the glory of God, we have much error.

God is out to seek one thing and one thing only. To bring glory to Himself through Jesus Christ. Don't like it? Well, it's the truth whether a human likes it or not.

Someone can take that and run with it saying God is a cruel God and why does a "loving" God not "care" about our happiness?

God is love. But God is also God. And God has to answer to no one. The very fact that a perfect, righteous God allows us to take breath day after day should shut the mouths of every one of us and praise Him alone forever, just on that mercy alone.

People don't get this...that God doesn't owe you anything, owe you an explanation of anything. God DOES love us, in spite of what you may be reading of my comment here. He showed that by sending Christ and to partake in the glory which is to come.

But, on the topic of "happiness" - no, God's concern about your individual happiness isn't why everything was made. "For by Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by Him and for Him." - Colossians 1:16

As much as people believe and want to believe it's about them, I do not see where God reveals any of our names in why He made everything. Again, I believe what people need to understand is...we deserve eternal death. God doesn't have to give you breath, but He does. God doesn't have to give you good things...but He does. God didn't have to send you Christ...but He did.

It's gratitude of knowing this truth that will change your view on Him. Just be grateful He lets us partake in His mercy...let alone the gift of eternal life.

People will still have something to say about about Him regarding themselves. And as harsh as it is...God doesn't have to answer to you, me or anything. He is doing it for Himself...we are just recipients of that motive for good things.

God is love. The truth will prevail no matter what a fallen race "thinks" of the bible.

Shaney Irene said...

Wow, it's been almost 2 years since I've even looked at this blog post. I've learned a lot in that amount of time. I'm considering starting a new blog, and if I do I will likely delete this one and just copy the posts on to a word document, maybe to repost them on the new blog. If I do, though, a few changes will be made to this post.

The first thing that will definitely happen is the title will change. One thing I've learned is that titles will often have people making up their mind faster than you can say "Don't judge a book by it's cover." When I originally wrote this, I was going for a title that would be attention-grabbing. I think I succeeded, but should have worked harder to find one just as attention-grabbing without coming across as harsh as it did. Titles matter.

The second thing I would do is change the structure of the post. I spout of my conclusion first, and then spend the rest of the post trying to back it up. For those coming from the same background as me, it makes sense. But for those who haven't heard this before, I don't think it works nearly as well. If/when I rewrite this, I think I'd do more of a question/answer format, where I'd start with some common ground and then ask clarifying questions to eventually get to the point that I'm trying to make.

For those that were hurt by this post, I'm sorry. I should have chosen my words more carefully. Thanks to those commenters who have jumped in and helped explain and clarify, as well as those who have challenged me in my use of language and structure in this post. It's taken me a few years to get to the point where I see just how much improvement this post needs. I wrote it as a senior in high school, and now I'm a senior in college. I've learned a lot in that time. Now, taking another look with fresh eyes, I see how much works this post needs to make it the best it could possibly be.

This post is apparently the first thing that pops up if you google "God does not care." That's a scary thought for me, wondering how many people have come across this page, wondering if any have been helped, and if any have possibly been hurt. My prayer is that God used it for His glory in His own way, regardless of what my original intention might have been. It is all about Him, after all.

If I do start a new blog, you'll probably be able to find it pretty easily. I'll likely make it part of my public facebook profile. So if anyone's interested to join me on the journey that God is taking me on, I'd love to hear from you. Feel free to look me up on facebook. If I don't know you personally I probably won't accept a friend request, but I'm willing to start a message conversation, or read your blog if you have one.

To God be the glory.

Mark Marr said...

quick test

Mark Marr said...

Thanks for your reflections Shaney and for your willingness to learn and grow.
Take care.

Music is Me said...

this is sum bullshit!! have u ever heard of Munchausen syndrome? I believe God suffers from it, either that or hes a sadist. m.s. Is a disease where ppl cause and or allow pain, suffering for the sole purposes of gaining attention. To say God dosent care about our happiness is an understatement! Furthermore if God only cares about his own glory and happiness why the hell did he create us with a so called freewill? Its basically like this......"hey im God I love u so much and I want to draw close to u and b n ur life but if u dnt abandon ur own happiness for the sake of mine u will die and spend eternity n hell" ! Wow now thats love! Yea right! Its selfish and for God to have such a petty human emotion such as selfishness I would have to say hes honestly not a good role model nor should he b attributed with a title such as God!

Chirag Arora said...

It doesn't take a genius to realise God doesn't care. For those of you who don't know what pain is, you can believe what you want. But for those who have been suffering their whole lives know this guy means the truth. God is a judge and has given us free will. he isn't going to let his feelings come in the way of judgement. He is psychopathic God. He is masculine. He is way to powerful to worry about our feelings. He isn't a pussy God. If he did care, but couldn't do anything to help you, he'd be a pretty weak god. But you all know he is powerful. If he wanted everyone in heaven, he'd be a pretty weak God, but he doesn't want everyone in heaven. Why did a perfect God create an imperfect world, with imperfect humans and left us into the hand of our enemies (Satan). It's the survival of the fittest. You guys have an image of a God who is weak. He is the God of war, look what happened to lucifer who tried to mess with him. God doesn't couldn't care less about the people burning in hell. But that is how a powerful God should be. Who is stronger Satan or God? Obviously God, so why is Satan winning. Do you ever see God trying as hard as satan in trying to win souls. Satan is everywhere, every chance he gets he's there, he never quits. God doesn't even try. God is not a luvy duvy character you guys hope. He didn't even think once about lucifer, and already mad a eternal fire for him.

Chirag Arora said...

Don't you guys get what God did. Adam didn't want to follow God's law. So God said, fine, if you don't want to follow me, you can have your earth, it's yours, follow you own laws. Do what you want with it, destroy it I don't care. So now we are the God's of this world. He left us in charge since we don't want to follow his laws and have our own. We can't rely on God for anything guys. If we didn't invent cures, God wouldn't of came down and made one for us. He is not of this world. It is ours and we got to make a difference. We have destroyed half the planet, but you don't see God coming and cleaning after our mess, we have to do that. Stop asking God for things. It is not God's world. Look at the people suffering everyday, more then Jesus ever did. You don't think they pray? Of course they do, but this world is not God's business. So stop blaming God for your lives. We have rejected God and this is our kingdom as God mention in Genesis. We are the rulers. Obama etc. We rule this planet.

gladiolus said...

There are a few post that I only agree, and even myself, I am having a hard time accepting this truth even though I believe it. It's very easy to turn God into so-and-so because he doesn't do what we think he will do. I'm not going to compare my life to his or her because we all experience and live through hard times. We experience different emotions and think different from each other. I especially agree "JustAMan" about this statement: God is out to seek one thing and one thing only. To bring glory to Himself through Jesus Christ. Don't like it? Well, it's the truth whether a human likes it or not.

I think one thing that we often miss is how sin affects our thinking towards God. There are times when I struggle with this myself (God doesn't care about us or God only cares about His Glory), but when I pull myself back, it is when I realize that PRIDE is speaking. PRIDE is the core issue of the human heart. "GOD, what about me? What about my happiness? What about this or that? Why does your glory matter (not mine)? Why this and why that?" Just as JustAMan said, he is not obligated to answer to anyone.

but Thank God for the Holy Spirit. He really teaches and show the human heart.

Tammie N said...

I too think you hit the point perfectly as "Rahcel" said. I believe so many problems in this life would be set free "if only" we could see that this life is not about "happiness". It is such a comfort to know that this life has a deeper meaning. That God has a higher purpose than the mere enjoyment of life. Thank you for posting this!

Elizabeth Walker said...
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Elizabeth Walker said...

You are so wrong, GOD does care about our happiness, and he cares about what makes us unhappy and uncomfortable. You make him seem like a self-centered egotistical maniac. GOD is definitely not telling you to write this. He CARES about us and he loves us. I shall pray for you too.

Lauren Moore said...

Wow! I just remembered why I stopped being a Christian! Who the hell wants to follow a God whose sole purpose is to make you miserable??? To think I stooped so low to begin praying to the Almighty for mercy to ease the pain of my misfortunes. Thanks for reminding me, God doesn't care one iota. So many wasted hours of my life practicing Christianity. Really, what good is religion if it doesn't help you to cope with living? Hello Buddhism!!!!!!!!

judy scroggins said...

GOOD WORD!!! THANKS FOR SHARING THE TRUTH!!! You know your doing something right when your being prosecuted for speaking the TRUTH OF GODS WORD...It says so in the bible :) "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you," MAT 5:10-12.

judy scroggins said...

""CORRECTION"" on above comment..not prosecuted...but persecuted!! Sorry

Mumu said...

Everyone has their own way of interpreting 'facts' this is the way you have come to interpret the bible through personal experience. Your personal experiences influenced your understanding when you studied the bible.
Something that is true to you appears as truth from where you are standing but to another, your ' truth' could look very different.
So basically, What I'm saying to people here is....
Interpret the bible according to what you feel in your heart is right. If there's something that doesn't feel right in your herat. It's not. You can try as much as you can but you cannot fool your heart.

Mumu said...

judy scroggins: By that account then Muslims are also speaking the word of God because they too are being prosecuted.

So too are Hindus.

Buddhists

Homosexuals....?

So I guess we're all speaking the word of God, then?

Great :) Good to know! Thanks.

Unknown said...

Shaney, As a fellow Christian sister, I have to gently rebuke you. You took some truths of the bible and then put your spin on it, which doesn't really represent the full trith of God's intent, desires, and love. I understand what your saying in that God isn't here to please us and to answer every personal request we have for ourselves with a resounding "Yes"! Often times the right way is the harder way , at least momentarily, and God would never contradict Himself and say that its okay for us to disobey him and sin if it prevents us frpm being unhappy. Nothing could be further from the truth! But t say that our wondrous, all loving, all faithful God DOESNT CARE about the deep desires of his precious children. children he created to ENJOY as well as bring glory to Him is not of the word or of God. Its of Satan. Be encouraged brothers and sisters, God deeply cares about your pain, your struggles, your cares and your desires. He's our FATHER; loving us is all He knows hw to do. "God is love." There are so many many many promises in his word that illustrate this over and over again. Use your concordance and look up "love", "deliverance", "patience", "blessings", and "protection". He died for us because He so loved us, not just to bring Himself satisfaction. Bringing glory to God is what fills our hearts with much joy and peace, which is one of the reasons he says to do it. We absolutely, innequivocably, will face persecution, suffer disappointment, and go through tribulations. That is part of living in this broken world and even though life is a constant struggle, He promises that He will work everything out for good for those who love Him and are called by him. He's not an angry, manevolent God who's just waiting to brinmg pain and sadness our way. He wants to shape our character and conform us to His image so that we can experience His presence, His abundance (not necessarily monetary), His forgiveness, His acceptance, and His unmerited salvation to all who surrender to Him. He wants to free us of ourselves and satan so that we can go out into the world and make "disciples of all the nations"! Praise God! This is very different from the way you represented our Lord sister. I know your intentions are good, but try and remember how your words will either draw others closer to our Lord, or drive them away. Your words could have sent a depressed person over the edge.

Jonathan Fisher said...

So he doesn't care about our happiness. He cares about his glory? And so he made us for what? He already has enough glory, God isn't selfish. Something isn't lining up here. That's no God I would want to brag about to others, making us purposely uncomfortable. A parent who takes away a kids bike to make him go to him more to love him? To focus on him? That's mind games. I don't believe in a God who would do these kinds of things, because we know what is good and we get our knowledge of what is good and not. That's not how God operates.

Alex said...

I think the author's point here is not that God is cruel or heartless, but that one person's (or even the world's) happiness is not his sole cause for action. He loves every one of his creatures, yes, but that does not equate to "He'll do everything possible to keep every one of them happy all the time". I agree with Fisher when he has "God already has enough glory, God isn't selfish". However, that's not to say that God deliberately creates circumstances that would make us unhappy, only that he would allow them in a broken world. I don't believe the author intended to make God out to be malevolent, but it is not God's responsibility to make us happy at every moment.
As humans, we need to accept the fact that we live in a fallen state, in a fallen world, and happiness is not guaranteed, but God's goodness is. A parent who bends to the wills of his children just for the sake of their "happiness" is no parent at all; likewise, God intends for us not to be happy in every moment, but allows circumstances to mould us into his likeness. He hurts when we do, but sometimes our "unhappiness" is brought about by our own choices, the consequences of which we must bear.
To counter the author's point that "God's goal is simply to bring glory to himself", I'd like to suggest that God's goal is more for his creatures to share in the Son's fellowship with the Father. Hence, it is our fellowship with Him that concerns him most; not our finite, momentary happiness as affected by temporary circumstances, but a lasting relationship with Him. Humans are too limited to understand our circumstances, but God has redeemed all creation to Himself, and is able to bring good even out of evil and suffering. He ultimately wants what is good for us, more than just "happiness".